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I read the above two examples as referring to the call replaced by the mis-informed player.
I don't think that the requirement for a replaced call to be a comparable call applies when it is the non-offender who is replacing his call because… -
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My understanding, and I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere else, is that Law 26 is an independent Law which applies in all cases of withdrawn calls (except where it may be specifically stated as not being applicable). In thi…
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While on the subject of the Director allowing the innocent side to replace its final pass, the law says that this can be done if the director judges that the decision to make the call 'could well have been influenced by misinformation...'.
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Law 21 B 3: When it is too late to change a call etc. etc. You would be entitled to an adjusted score if warranted.
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Yes, it does happen a lot at club level but the law is quite clear, that dummy can only prevent an irregularity; in fact, I think dummy would be in violation of law 9 A 4 by drawing attention to an irregularity committed by his partne…
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With due respect, the question of 3C by North being permissible or not should not arise because North is not in receipt of any UI. They can be playing any system they like, and the 3C call may be anti-systemic and/or a mis-bid, it is n…
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What it all boils down to is whether, without the UI, South's call should be 3D or 3NT, i.e. whether 3NT is demonstrably suggested over 3D by the UI, and whether 3D is actually a logical alternative.
According to law 16 B 1 b whether 3D i…
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I agree that North passing a 3D bid by South is a fair assumption. But before we get to North's response, the question is, or should be, what would be the 'proper' bid by South after North's 3C bid if he did not have the UI from North'…
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Isn't South required to bid as if he hasn't heard North's incorrect alert, which would be the case if they were playing with screens? If South were to take his partner's 3C bid at face value based on his own understanding of their agreement, whic…
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I have raised the same issue, of inconsistencies in the use of Law references, in an earlier post.
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You mean 'the second (intended) call' not 'the second (unintended) call', right?
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Thinking further about it, would this not give the NOS a second bite of the cherry? In our case, if 3NT makes while 4H would have gone down we stay with our score and if, as actually happened, 3NT was a bad score with 4H making we coul…
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Aha, I get it! It was not too late for my partner to change her call because she had the opportunity to change it under law 21B1a. However it was too late for ME to change MY call under 21B1a so that would entitle us to relief under 21…
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21B3 applies 'when it is too late to change a call'. In this case it was not too late to change a call, the call was changed but it did not result in restoring equity and indeed could not reasonably have restored equity; how reasonable…
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I had to give a ruling at my table because there was no other TD and nobody else who could have handled it, other than simple errors like bid out of rotation.
My question remains unanswered: assuming that we can establish that …
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In order to understand this distinction better can we have a few examples of irregularities which are not infractions and irregularities which are infractions?
Presumably all infractions are irregularities.
The reason w…
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Agree completely.
One wishes the laws would have followed the same principle.
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The Laws seem to use the words 'irregularity' and infraction' interchangeably without any apparent difference in their meanings. For instance, law 12 C 1 (a) refers to an irregularity and then immediately after that, law 12 C 1 (b) ref…
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Isn't there, or should there not be, a difference between the two situations where a player remembers only after the end of the board that an opponent had in fact revoked because he had turned up with a card in a suit having discarded …
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Because it is not in the laws one cannot make it a rule, but one hopes that by showing it to be a desirable practice it will spread.
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Whenever I am playing at a table I insist that in a NT contract dummy's cards are placed in suit order, S H D C, left to right facing declarer, irrespective of the opening lead.
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Touche!
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Post withdrawn. Clarification obtained.
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What if the illegal call is a call out of turn and LHO calls? Surely that is likely to arise, and sometimes does, in practice. And it is only one step removed from LHO's call being an insufficient bid.
We may not have encounter…
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Isn't there a contradiction between your comment on the insufficient bid and on the double?
In the first case you say that the logic is to ignore the action taken in violation of the obligation to pass. In other words, the call b… -
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We can think of another awkward situation: the player who is supposed to pass makes a bid, his LHO, expecting him to pass and not noticing that he has made a bid, makes a bid which turns out to be insufficient! ????
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The fact that the player thought the auction was over does not alter the fact that the auction was not over, it was still on, and the card was exposed during the auction. The player's mistake in thinking that the auction was over would…
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Correction: in Law 32 the phrase is not 'the option in Law 29A not having been exercised', it is 'may be accepted at the option of the opponent next in rotation'.
The key word is 'option', which is missing in Law 37.
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Law 24 E refers to Law 50, where under 50B a single card below the rank of an honour exposed unintentionally becomes a minor penalty card.
One would imagine that exposure of a card during the auction would be deemed unintentional, therefo…
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Although this discussion has effectively been closed, I thought I would mention that while I was surfing the Australian Directors Association site recently I came across a 'Lecture on Law 12 (2017)', which includes the following:
"WBF Law…